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		<title>By: Velocity and DevOpsDays! &#171; the agile admin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Velocity and DevOpsDays! &#171; the agile admin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jun 2010 18:19:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] OpsCamp Austin kicked ass, and I&#8217;m sure this will be even better.  So come double up on Ops knowledge and meet other right-thinking individuals. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Agile Operations &#171; the agile admin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Agile Operations &#171; the agile admin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jun 2010 22:19:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] at OpsCamp last month, we discovered that there&#8217;s been this whole Agile Operations/Automated Infrastructure/devops [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Come to CloudCamp Austin 2! &#171; the agile admin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Come to CloudCamp Austin 2! &#171; the agile admin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jun 2010 21:59:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] missed the first one but loved OpsCamp so I&#8217;m going!     Categories: Uncategorized Tags: austin, Cloud Computing, cloudcamp, [...]</description>
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		<dc:creator>Come to CloudCamp Austin 2! &#124; Web Admin Blog</dc:creator>
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		<description>[...] missed the first one but loved OpsCamp so I&#039;m going!   About ErnestErnest is a Web Systems Architect at National Instruments in Austin, [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Agile Operations &#124; Web Admin Blog</title>
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		<description>[...] at OpsCamp last month, we discovered that there&#039;s been this whole Agile Operations/Automated Infrastructure/devops [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Coté&#39;s People Over Process &#187; Links for February 4th through February 8th</title>
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		<dc:creator>Coté&#39;s People Over Process &#187; Links for February 4th through February 8th</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: Ernest</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ernest</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Feb 2010 23:27:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey y&#039;all!  I want to first say I love Velocity and was unhappy to hear that some of the major ops guys were considering not going.  I&#039;m not going to narc out who exactly but you know who all was there at Opscamp, and I was standing in a circle of &quot;named&quot; guys who were saying &quot;I don&#039;t know, I don&#039;t know if they want us there, seems like their focus on ops is less and less.&quot;  So to a degree I&#039;m just reporting what I heard.

From my point of view, though, we had noticed even last year that the Velocity agenda was leaving us with fewer tangible takeaways.  What I&#039;d like is something holistically useful.  Front end performance is important, and there was a big &quot;revolution&quot; in that space with Souders etc.&#039;s work a couple years ago, but it&#039;s a small piece of the entire puzzle.  

Even just the performance track needs to be about more than just front end performance and it needs to focus on specific takeaways that a Web ops kind of person would implement.  There&#039;s other venues for pure Web designers to go to IMO - that&#039;s not this crowd; this crowd is a specific mix of Web generalists - part UNIX admin/open source wonk, part developer, small part designer.  The more you go toward stuff only a pure Web designer who does nothing but CSS all day would care about, the more people like us will say &quot;Hmmm, I think this year I&#039;ll pass.&quot;

Also some of the stuff was very speculative (browsers, the weird proposed google protocol, quickling) that have no practical takeaways for someone.  It also seemed like some of it was about highly esoteric fixes that would be a) for a super Web designer JS/CSS hacker and b) only relevant to the &quot;top 5 guys&quot;.  It&#039;s somewhat interesting to see the things that Google/Yahoo/Twitter/Facebook have had to do to operate at their scale, but 99% of the audience is smaller scale and won&#039;t be doing that.  &quot;We spent 6 months optimizing those last two pixels!&quot;  Remember that the conference shouldn&#039;t be for the top 1%, if it wants to make $ it should appeal to Joe Internet Startup/Jane Enterprise Web IT Person.

Anyway, here&#039;s what I&#039;d propose as a mix.

Performance - covering front end, back end, caching, memcached, hadoop, distributed computing, etc. (I liked some of the non-FE stuff in these veins at last Velocity)
Operations - config management, monitoring, control, logging, security (OWASP type), etc.   

Focus on the core.  There&#039;s already cons for developers.  There&#039;s cons for designers.   There&#039;s cons for Web marketeers.  But this is the first venue that brings together Web technologists specifically, especially devs/ops/devops.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey y&#8217;all!  I want to first say I love Velocity and was unhappy to hear that some of the major ops guys were considering not going.  I&#8217;m not going to narc out who exactly but you know who all was there at Opscamp, and I was standing in a circle of &#8220;named&#8221; guys who were saying &#8220;I don&#8217;t know, I don&#8217;t know if they want us there, seems like their focus on ops is less and less.&#8221;  So to a degree I&#8217;m just reporting what I heard.</p>
<p>From my point of view, though, we had noticed even last year that the Velocity agenda was leaving us with fewer tangible takeaways.  What I&#8217;d like is something holistically useful.  Front end performance is important, and there was a big &#8220;revolution&#8221; in that space with Souders etc.&#8217;s work a couple years ago, but it&#8217;s a small piece of the entire puzzle.  </p>
<p>Even just the performance track needs to be about more than just front end performance and it needs to focus on specific takeaways that a Web ops kind of person would implement.  There&#8217;s other venues for pure Web designers to go to IMO &#8211; that&#8217;s not this crowd; this crowd is a specific mix of Web generalists &#8211; part UNIX admin/open source wonk, part developer, small part designer.  The more you go toward stuff only a pure Web designer who does nothing but CSS all day would care about, the more people like us will say &#8220;Hmmm, I think this year I&#8217;ll pass.&#8221;</p>
<p>Also some of the stuff was very speculative (browsers, the weird proposed google protocol, quickling) that have no practical takeaways for someone.  It also seemed like some of it was about highly esoteric fixes that would be a) for a super Web designer JS/CSS hacker and b) only relevant to the &#8220;top 5 guys&#8221;.  It&#8217;s somewhat interesting to see the things that Google/Yahoo/Twitter/Facebook have had to do to operate at their scale, but 99% of the audience is smaller scale and won&#8217;t be doing that.  &#8220;We spent 6 months optimizing those last two pixels!&#8221;  Remember that the conference shouldn&#8217;t be for the top 1%, if it wants to make $ it should appeal to Joe Internet Startup/Jane Enterprise Web IT Person.</p>
<p>Anyway, here&#8217;s what I&#8217;d propose as a mix.</p>
<p>Performance &#8211; covering front end, back end, caching, memcached, hadoop, distributed computing, etc. (I liked some of the non-FE stuff in these veins at last Velocity)<br />
Operations &#8211; config management, monitoring, control, logging, security (OWASP type), etc.   </p>
<p>Focus on the core.  There&#8217;s already cons for developers.  There&#8217;s cons for designers.   There&#8217;s cons for Web marketeers.  But this is the first venue that brings together Web technologists specifically, especially devs/ops/devops.</p>
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		<title>By: Josh</title>
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		<dc:creator>Josh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Feb 2010 20:11:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey John and Jesse!  First off, thanks for commenting.  I didn&#039;t get to go to Velocity, but being on the same team as Ernest, I heard plenty of what he had to say about it.  I think the gist of what was saying was that there was just a heavy focus on things like page design, caching, CDN, and the rest of the Web Performance piece and little to do with anything Operations.  I believe Ernest submitted a proposal to the conference that was turned down on a pure operations topic.  I submitted two proposals, one on operational security and another on troubleshooting using logging volume and both of those were turned down.  I believe another one of our team members submitted a proposal as well.  All great topics, but passed by in favors of the same old talk from Souders and the like (as much as we do like him and his philosophies on performance).  When it came time to submitting proposals to Velocity this year, I don&#039;t think any of us even bothered because we figured it&#039;d have been met with the same response as before.  I kinda regret that decision now that you say you&#039;re attempting to address the lack of Operational presentations from previous conferences.  I definitely think it&#039;ll be a change for the better.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey John and Jesse!  First off, thanks for commenting.  I didn&#8217;t get to go to Velocity, but being on the same team as Ernest, I heard plenty of what he had to say about it.  I think the gist of what was saying was that there was just a heavy focus on things like page design, caching, CDN, and the rest of the Web Performance piece and little to do with anything Operations.  I believe Ernest submitted a proposal to the conference that was turned down on a pure operations topic.  I submitted two proposals, one on operational security and another on troubleshooting using logging volume and both of those were turned down.  I believe another one of our team members submitted a proposal as well.  All great topics, but passed by in favors of the same old talk from Souders and the like (as much as we do like him and his philosophies on performance).  When it came time to submitting proposals to Velocity this year, I don&#8217;t think any of us even bothered because we figured it&#8217;d have been met with the same response as before.  I kinda regret that decision now that you say you&#8217;re attempting to address the lack of Operational presentations from previous conferences.  I definitely think it&#8217;ll be a change for the better.</p>
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		<title>By: Jesse Robbins</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jesse Robbins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Feb 2010 18:15:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ernest,

I&#039;ve heard a few folks say that they want this year&#039;s Velocity 2010 to include more on the traditional backend Ops problem space.  I completely agree, and we&#039;re addressing that for Velocity 2010 &amp; the Velocity Online Conferences (OLCs)

Thanks!

-Jesse Robbins</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ernest,</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve heard a few folks say that they want this year&#8217;s Velocity 2010 to include more on the traditional backend Ops problem space.  I completely agree, and we&#8217;re addressing that for Velocity 2010 &amp; the Velocity Online Conferences (OLCs)</p>
<p>Thanks!</p>
<p>-Jesse Robbins</p>
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		<title>By: John Allspaw</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Allspaw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Feb 2010 18:01:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d like to hear more about this: &quot;People are getting a little disgruntled with Velocity - it seems to be leaning real heavy towards the front end performance thing and losing any meaningful focus on operations.&quot;

I&#039;m part of the conference program committee, and I&#039;m knee-deep in reviewing proposals for 2010&#039;s conference, and there are really great non-frontend proposals. Having said that, given that client-side response time can be improved by &gt;70% just by changing client-side code, I&#039;ve always enjoyed the mixture of the two crowds. :)

Is there a view that &gt;50% of the conference is geared towards client-side performance?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d like to hear more about this: &#8220;People are getting a little disgruntled with Velocity &#8211; it seems to be leaning real heavy towards the front end performance thing and losing any meaningful focus on operations.&#8221;</p>
<p>I&#8217;m part of the conference program committee, and I&#8217;m knee-deep in reviewing proposals for 2010&#8242;s conference, and there are really great non-frontend proposals. Having said that, given that client-side response time can be improved by &gt;70% just by changing client-side code, I&#8217;ve always enjoyed the mixture of the two crowds. <img src='http://www.webadminblog.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Is there a view that &gt;50% of the conference is geared towards client-side performance?</p>
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