{"id":290,"date":"2009-07-16T17:15:25","date_gmt":"2009-07-16T22:15:25","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.webadminblog.com\/?p=290"},"modified":"2009-07-16T17:17:03","modified_gmt":"2009-07-16T22:17:03","slug":"oracle-bea-update","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.webadminblog.com\/index.php\/2009\/07\/16\/oracle-bea-update\/","title":{"rendered":"Oracle + BEA Update"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>A year ago I <a href=\"https:\/\/www.webadminblog.com\/index.php\/2008\/07\/02\/oracle-bea\/\">wrote about Oracle&#8217;s plan on how to combine BEA Weblogic and OAS<\/a>.\u00a0\u00a0 A long time went by before any more information appeared &#8211; we met with our Oracle reps last week to figure out what the deal is.\u00a0 The answer wasn&#8217;t much more clear than it was way back last year.\u00a0 They do certainly want some kind of money to &#8220;upgrade&#8221; but it seems poorly thought through.<\/p>\n<p>OAS came in various versions &#8211; Java, Standard, Standard One, Enterprise, and then the SOA Suite versions.\u00a0 The new BEA, now &#8220;Fusion Middleware 11g&#8221; comes in different versions as well.<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li>WLS Standard<\/li>\n<li>WLS Enterprise &#8211; adds clustering, costs double<\/li>\n<li>WLS Suite &#8211; adds Coherence, Enterprise Manager, and JRockit realtime, costs quadruple<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>But they can&#8217;t tell us what OAS product maps to what FMW version.<\/p>\n<p>There is also an oddly stripped down &#8220;Basic&#8221; edition which noted as being a free upgrade from OAS SE but it strips out a lot of JMS and WS stuff; there&#8217;s an entire slide of stuff that gets stripped out and it&#8217;s hard to say if this would be feasible for us.<\/p>\n<p>As for SOA Suite, &#8220;We totally just don&#8217;t know.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>Come on Oracle, you&#8217;ve had a year to get this put together.\u00a0 It&#8217;s pretty simple, there&#8217;s not all that many older and newer products.\u00a0 I suspect they&#8217;re being vague so they can feel out how much $$ they can get out of people for the upgrade.\u00a0 Hate to break it to you guys &#8211; the answer is $0.\u00a0 We didn&#8217;t pay for OAS upgrades before this, we just paid you the generous 22% a year maintenance <a href=\"http:\/\/www.informationweek.com\/news\/global-cio\/interviews\/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=218101578\">that got you your 51% profit margin this year.<\/a> If you&#8217;re retiring OAS for BEA in all but name, we expect to get the equivalent functionality for our continued 22%.<\/p>\n<p>Oracle has two (well, three) clear to dos.<\/p>\n<p>1.\u00a0 Figure out what BEA product bundles give functionality equivalent to old OAS bundles<\/p>\n<p>2.\u00a0 Give those to support-paying customers<\/p>\n<p>3.\u00a0 Profit.\u00a0 You&#8217;re making plenty without trying to upcharge customers.\u00a0 Don&#8217;t try it.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>A year ago I wrote about Oracle&#8217;s plan on how to combine BEA Weblogic and OAS.\u00a0\u00a0 A long time went by before any more information appeared &#8211; we met with our Oracle reps last week to figure out what the deal is.\u00a0 The answer wasn&#8217;t much more clear than it was way back last year.\u00a0 [&hellip;]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":2,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"jetpack_post_was_ever_published":false,"_jetpack_newsletter_access":"","_jetpack_dont_email_post_to_subs":false,"_jetpack_newsletter_tier_id":0,"_jetpack_memberships_contains_paywalled_content":false,"_jetpack_memberships_contains_paid_content":false,"footnotes":"","jetpack_publicize_message":"","jetpack_publicize_feature_enabled":true,"jetpack_social_post_already_shared":false,"jetpack_social_options":{"image_generator_settings":{"template":"highway","default_image_id":0,"font":"","enabled":false},"version":2}},"categories":[96],"tags":[95,304,305,93],"class_list":["post-290","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-software-and-tools","tag-bea","tag-fusion","tag-oas","tag-oracle"],"aioseo_notices":[],"aioseo_head":"\n\t\t<!-- All in One SEO 4.9.10 - aioseo.com -->\n\t<meta name=\"description\" content=\"A year ago I wrote about Oracle&#039;s plan on how to combine BEA Weblogic and OAS. 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