{"id":338,"date":"2009-11-13T13:15:25","date_gmt":"2009-11-13T18:15:25","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.webadminblog.com\/?p=338"},"modified":"2010-02-01T19:07:33","modified_gmt":"2010-02-02T00:07:33","slug":"the-10-least-likely-and-most-dangerous-people-on-the-internet","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.webadminblog.com\/index.php\/2009\/11\/13\/the-10-least-likely-and-most-dangerous-people-on-the-internet\/","title":{"rendered":"The 10 Least-Likely and Most Dangerous People on the Internet"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>This presentation was by Robert &#8220;RSnake&#8221; Hansen and was designed to be a fun conversation to have over drinks with security people.\u00a0 I feel privileged to have been one of those security people who he talked about this with beforehand.\u00a0 A very interesting topic about the non-obvious threats that may or may not exist. \u00a0 My notes are below:<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"text-decoration: underline;\"><strong>Why?<\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n<ul>\n<li>Because I use the Internet<\/li>\n<li>Because I&#8217;m a target<\/li>\n<li>Because most people don&#8217;t know<\/li>\n<li>Because it&#8217;s a fun conversation to have over drinks with security guys<\/li>\n<li>Maybe\/hopefully you&#8217;ll continue this conversation instead of just arguing!<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p><span style=\"text-decoration: underline;\"><strong>Ground Rules<\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n<ul>\n<li>Must be non-obvious and must be directly related to the Internet.\u00a0 Not:\n<ul>\n<li>&#8230;the President or any other gov&#8217;ernment official<\/li>\n<li>&#8230;or someone involved with SCADA Systems\/Brick and mortar<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<\/li>\n<li>Must be in control of some infrastructure or software, etc<\/li>\n<li>Must have the largest or widest negative impact possible for the least amount of work and least likelihood of being stopped<\/li>\n<li>No magic &#8211; must be real and dangerous<\/li>\n<li>They can&#8217;t be &#8220;bad&#8221; people<\/li>\n<li>You can&#8217;t take this list too seriously<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p><span style=\"text-decoration: underline;\"><strong>How I Got Started<\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n<ul>\n<li>Started thinking about core technologies that everything relies on<\/li>\n<li>Made a big list<\/li>\n<li>Shopped it around to dozens of security experts<\/li>\n<li>Assigned an arbitrary, unscientific, hand-wavy, risk-rating system of my own design<\/li>\n<li>Ranked them in order of how scared I am of them personally<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p><span style=\"text-decoration: underline;\"><strong>#10<\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n<ul>\n<li>John Doe at C|Net<\/li>\n<li>Job: Network Engineer<\/li>\n<li>Why: Controls com.com<\/li>\n<li>Impact: Largest collection point of typo traffic both for web adn email.\n<ul>\n<li>Doesn&#8217;t require anything overt or even indefensible<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p><span style=\"text-decoration: underline;\"><strong>#9<\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n<ul>\n<li>Giorgio Maone of NoScript<\/li>\n<li>Job: Consultant<\/li>\n<li>Why: Controls NoScript<\/li>\n<li>Impact: Nearly every security researcher on the planet &#8211; complete compromise.\u00a0 In general the most paranoid people on earth would be compromised.\n<ul>\n<li>Builds arbitrary whitelists (ebay.com)<\/li>\n<li>Has changed functionality to subvert Adblock Plus<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p><!--more--><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"text-decoration: underline;\"><strong>#8<\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n<ul>\n<li>Eddy Nigg at StartCom Ltd&#8230;\n<ul>\n<li>or John Doe at SSL Cert Reseller<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<\/li>\n<li>Job: Developer\/QA<\/li>\n<li>Why: Has access to create wildcard SSL certs for any domain<\/li>\n<li>Impact: Would allow an attacker to steal any information they were able to man in the middle.\n<ul>\n<li>Previously demonstrated bad security<\/li>\n<li>Much smaller and therefore less controlled than Verisign or Thawt<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p><span style=\"text-decoration: underline;\"><strong>#7<\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n<ul>\n<li>John Doe at Authorize.net<\/li>\n<li>Job: Network admin\/Server admin<\/li>\n<li>Why: Has the ability to see the vast majority of online transactions.<\/li>\n<li>Impact: Would allow an attacker to get PII and credit card information for the bulk of the US online shopping population and many international shoppers as well<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p><span style=\"text-decoration: underline;\"><strong>#6 (RSnake recants this one after dinner last night)<br \/>\n<\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n<ul>\n<li>John Doe at Mozilla<\/li>\n<li>Job: Has check-in access<\/li>\n<li>Why: Has the ability to change functionality within the browser, including installing new SSL certs.<\/li>\n<li>Impact: Would allow the attacker to man in the middle and read all SSL traffic.\n<ul>\n<li>Almost no documentation<\/li>\n<li>The verification process is very open and subject to tampering &#8211; meaning the update mechanism isn&#8217;t probably much better<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p><span style=\"text-decoration: underline;\"><strong>#5<\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n<ul>\n<li>Chirag and Floyd at Adwords<\/li>\n<li>Job: Whomever checks in code<\/li>\n<li>Why: Has access to millions of websites because it is XSS<\/li>\n<li>Impact: Can be leveraged for stealing cookies and hijacking web functionality\n<ul>\n<li>Is embedded in millions of web pages<\/li>\n<li>Is already obfuscated heavily<\/li>\n<li>Is seen daily by the bulk of the Internet population<\/li>\n<li>Begs the question about CDNs in particular<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p><span style=\"text-decoration: underline;\"><strong>#4<\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n<ul>\n<li>John Doe at Google&#8217;s Postini<\/li>\n<li>Job: Programmer\/Server admin<\/li>\n<li>Why: Controls and can view the bulk of the world&#8217;s email &#8211; including Gmail<\/li>\n<li>Impact: Would enable attacker to steal credentials, spoof conversations, tamper with data, introduce malware, etc\n<ul>\n<li>More dangerous than Adwords because it&#8217;s passive<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p><span style=\"text-decoration: underline;\"><strong>#3<\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n<ul>\n<li>John Doe at 1 Wilshire<\/li>\n<li>Job: NOC Monkey<\/li>\n<li>Why: One of the largest peering centers on the west coast<\/li>\n<li>Impact: Can tamper with machines, install malware, inject malicious traffic, intercept communications, etc&#8230;\n<ul>\n<li>Most amount of data links in one physical location<\/li>\n<li>CIA has already demonstrated interest in choke points in San Francisco as outed by Mark Klein<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p><span style=\"text-decoration: underline;\"><strong>#2<\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n<ul>\n<li>John Doe at gtei.net<\/li>\n<li>Job: Network Admin\/Server Admin<\/li>\n<li>Why: Controls 4.2.2.2 and 4.2.2.3<\/li>\n<li>Impact: Can be used to subvert a huge chunk of Internet traffic by giving erroneous DNS answers\n<ul>\n<li>Used by default in many devices<\/li>\n<li>Used by tons of individuals and companies who are lazy<\/li>\n<li>Can be used in very targeted attacks for a very short period of time<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p><span style=\"text-decoration: underline;\"><strong>#1<\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n<ul>\n<li>John Doe at iDefense<\/li>\n<li>Job: Security Engineer\/Consultant<\/li>\n<li>Why: Consults for and is owned by Verisign, who owns Network Solutions, who controls authoritative DNS for &#8220;.com&#8221;<\/li>\n<li>Impact: Would allow the bulk of the Internet traffic to be modified\n<ul>\n<li>Heavily monitored and protected but still could lead to temporary and targeted compromise<\/li>\n<li>More dangerous than 4.2.2.2 because it controls all of .com and not just a subset of users<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p><span style=\"text-decoration: underline;\"><strong>Disappointed?\u00a0 Upset?<\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n<p>The room is full of people who care that your feelings are hurt.<\/p>\n<p>The List<\/p>\n<ol>\n<li>John Doe at iDefense<\/li>\n<li>John Doe at gtei.net<\/li>\n<li>John Doe at 1 Wilshire<\/li>\n<li>John Doe at Google&#8217;s Postini<\/li>\n<li>Chirag and Floyd at Adwords<\/li>\n<li>John Doe at Mozilla<\/li>\n<li>John Doe at Authorize.net<\/li>\n<li>Eddy Nigg at StartCom Ltd.<\/li>\n<li>Giorgio Maone of NoScript<\/li>\n<li>John Doe at C|Net<\/li>\n<\/ol>\n<p><span style=\"text-decoration: underline;\"><strong>Questions\/Comments?<\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n<ul>\n<li>Robert Hansen\n<ul>\n<li>Robert_at_sectheory d0t c0m<\/li>\n<li>http:\/\/www.sectheory.com<\/li>\n<li>http:\/\/ha.ckers.org\/<\/li>\n<li>Detecting Malice\n<ul>\n<li>http:\/\/www.detectmalice.com\/<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<\/li>\n<li>XSS Book: XSS Exploits and Defense\n<ul>\n<li>ISBN: 1597491543<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>This presentation was by Robert &#8220;RSnake&#8221; 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